venetian
05-12 04:04 AM
Come on guys
Why there is so much name calling
I read the entire forum postings to get a perspective. I might quote from most of the participants.
Honestly speaking most of us are members of IV because we want to fix the problem with employment based legal immigration system. We do this because we want to get GC to settle down in life, or to get the deserving promotion or start the new venture we were dreaming about - all in the US. Many of us may eventually apply for the US citizenship.
In some of the forums, members talk of being born in India or China as sin, they get so desperate during the visa bulletin announcements, depressed when they see the PD moving backwards, envy non India & China EB2 applicants, heated EB3 vs EB2 debate, heated labor substitution debate etc etc etc. Personally I know many who curse themselves for being born in India, I’m sure they do not literally mean but it is out of frustration of being in this country for many years and not able to do what they wish in career or in life because of the GC issue, that being said,
Nandakumar’s only grievance is that present Govt of India does not help or care for the suffering of Sri Lankan Tamils, I cannot speak for him but I think because of his intense support for the cause of SL tamils, he might have over stated his displeasure towards India but he never once mentioned Tamil Nadu or its secession or even splitting Sri Lanka , or fights between some of the states in India, or anything related to regionalism and did not even mention or support LTTE in his original postings but only to respond to other members postings.
As I said earlier, all most all of the IV members want to get GC and may want to become US citizen, I’m not sure whether the members who had responded to Nandakumar’s postings have the intentions of permanently settling down in the US. If they do, I don’t see any difference between end objective of either of them, one may present extreme view of protest and reason that for getting US citizenship and other might reason that there is better opportunity in the US than India to get US citizenship, bottom line is both want to leave India and become a citizen of another country, in this case US and show allegiance to the US and its constitution, there after both needs to get Indian visa to visit India, what an irony.
We are a educated lot, I think members should show restraint and stop this name calling business, if they do not agree on an issue, they should agree to disagree but should not disgrace a person and as another member did, do not bring parents into the discussion, just because the other party has opposite view.
Recent past USCIS has raided many Indian owned consulting companies for visa and immigration fraud, earlier too few consulting company bosses were arrested for labor substitution fraud etc, this shows how desperate are people to get GC, why someone has to involve in such frauds to be in the US permanently, what India or their home country has done to them, to leave their home country for US, there are many whose business is to bad mouth India with others. What to call these people?
Another interesting aspect is, nandakumar speaks for himself but others speak for all the Indians, not sure who elected them to represent all the Indians and how do they know the views of all the Indians.
A honest question for the members who are bashing Nandakumar, you are all here in the IV forum for time pass or with the intention of helping IV to work towards overhauling employment based legal immigration process and eventually to get GC and the US citizenship?
PS: I do support the genuine aspirations of the SL Tamils and NOT any organization designated as terrorist organization by some countries including the US and India
Nandakumar,
It is pretty much proven that in your mental territory you have already ditched India and it is the USA which will take long to grant you a GC and then afterwards citizenship for which you almost represented your beggar like mentality. But that is not my concern and should not be. I have only one question to you and I hope youwould try to answer it with all possible honesty.
Q: What will be your view regarding USA's official policy to consider LTTE a terrorist organisation? ONce you will be come US citizen how will you align yourself with this policy?
Why there is so much name calling
I read the entire forum postings to get a perspective. I might quote from most of the participants.
Honestly speaking most of us are members of IV because we want to fix the problem with employment based legal immigration system. We do this because we want to get GC to settle down in life, or to get the deserving promotion or start the new venture we were dreaming about - all in the US. Many of us may eventually apply for the US citizenship.
In some of the forums, members talk of being born in India or China as sin, they get so desperate during the visa bulletin announcements, depressed when they see the PD moving backwards, envy non India & China EB2 applicants, heated EB3 vs EB2 debate, heated labor substitution debate etc etc etc. Personally I know many who curse themselves for being born in India, I’m sure they do not literally mean but it is out of frustration of being in this country for many years and not able to do what they wish in career or in life because of the GC issue, that being said,
Nandakumar’s only grievance is that present Govt of India does not help or care for the suffering of Sri Lankan Tamils, I cannot speak for him but I think because of his intense support for the cause of SL tamils, he might have over stated his displeasure towards India but he never once mentioned Tamil Nadu or its secession or even splitting Sri Lanka , or fights between some of the states in India, or anything related to regionalism and did not even mention or support LTTE in his original postings but only to respond to other members postings.
As I said earlier, all most all of the IV members want to get GC and may want to become US citizen, I’m not sure whether the members who had responded to Nandakumar’s postings have the intentions of permanently settling down in the US. If they do, I don’t see any difference between end objective of either of them, one may present extreme view of protest and reason that for getting US citizenship and other might reason that there is better opportunity in the US than India to get US citizenship, bottom line is both want to leave India and become a citizen of another country, in this case US and show allegiance to the US and its constitution, there after both needs to get Indian visa to visit India, what an irony.
We are a educated lot, I think members should show restraint and stop this name calling business, if they do not agree on an issue, they should agree to disagree but should not disgrace a person and as another member did, do not bring parents into the discussion, just because the other party has opposite view.
Recent past USCIS has raided many Indian owned consulting companies for visa and immigration fraud, earlier too few consulting company bosses were arrested for labor substitution fraud etc, this shows how desperate are people to get GC, why someone has to involve in such frauds to be in the US permanently, what India or their home country has done to them, to leave their home country for US, there are many whose business is to bad mouth India with others. What to call these people?
Another interesting aspect is, nandakumar speaks for himself but others speak for all the Indians, not sure who elected them to represent all the Indians and how do they know the views of all the Indians.
A honest question for the members who are bashing Nandakumar, you are all here in the IV forum for time pass or with the intention of helping IV to work towards overhauling employment based legal immigration process and eventually to get GC and the US citizenship?
PS: I do support the genuine aspirations of the SL Tamils and NOT any organization designated as terrorist organization by some countries including the US and India
Nandakumar,
It is pretty much proven that in your mental territory you have already ditched India and it is the USA which will take long to grant you a GC and then afterwards citizenship for which you almost represented your beggar like mentality. But that is not my concern and should not be. I have only one question to you and I hope youwould try to answer it with all possible honesty.
Q: What will be your view regarding USA's official policy to consider LTTE a terrorist organisation? ONce you will be come US citizen how will you align yourself with this policy?
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Abhinaym
01-15 02:44 PM
Add hassles to businesses. Appeal to xenophobic voter bank.
bitu72
11-03 03:14 PM
are you going to be there and then look for job..also what sites are you using to search for job. biggest advantage of going there is you can do you own business.
how long did it take to complete the whole process.
how long did it take to complete the whole process.
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hpandey
05-01 04:38 PM
Its in today TOI that Congress/UPA govt. has raised a concern to their PAK counterparts about safely of some 35 Sikh families living in a small village which falls in Taliban's territory.
Why not a single statement by UPA Govt. / MPS/ any high ranking diplomats for Srinlankan's Tamil ? Are they affraid of Congress leadership or what ?
I don't know for what cause LTTE is fighting for and see them as same other terrorist organization in name of freedom. Its LTTE and their leaders who should be punished and brought to justice for killing of Rajeev Gandhi, not the whole community.
Don't be too confident that you may never be in the situation like them. Who knows tomorrow ? History tells us that you would be never safe on foreign soil ! If its not you, it would be your next generation who might seek support from your home country
My post is to just show double standard played by UPA govt.
The Pak Sikhs are being troubled by the Taliban whom everyone opposes and the Pak govt is doing nothing and hence India should raise a voice.
The Tamils in SriLanka are not being opressed by SriLanka but by LTTE themselves ( using their own people as human shields ) . The Srilankan govt is trying its best to minimise losses while trying to rout the terrorist LTTE. India does not have any sympathy either for the Taliban or for LTTE. Both are enemies of India.
Personally I hate the LTTE and their damn cause. Someone who would kill our PM does not deserve any sympathy.
I cheer the brave SriLankan Army who will finally clear their country of this terrorist manace. I wish India had the same drive to remove terrorists from our country in J&K and elsewhere .
Why not a single statement by UPA Govt. / MPS/ any high ranking diplomats for Srinlankan's Tamil ? Are they affraid of Congress leadership or what ?
I don't know for what cause LTTE is fighting for and see them as same other terrorist organization in name of freedom. Its LTTE and their leaders who should be punished and brought to justice for killing of Rajeev Gandhi, not the whole community.
Don't be too confident that you may never be in the situation like them. Who knows tomorrow ? History tells us that you would be never safe on foreign soil ! If its not you, it would be your next generation who might seek support from your home country
My post is to just show double standard played by UPA govt.
The Pak Sikhs are being troubled by the Taliban whom everyone opposes and the Pak govt is doing nothing and hence India should raise a voice.
The Tamils in SriLanka are not being opressed by SriLanka but by LTTE themselves ( using their own people as human shields ) . The Srilankan govt is trying its best to minimise losses while trying to rout the terrorist LTTE. India does not have any sympathy either for the Taliban or for LTTE. Both are enemies of India.
Personally I hate the LTTE and their damn cause. Someone who would kill our PM does not deserve any sympathy.
I cheer the brave SriLankan Army who will finally clear their country of this terrorist manace. I wish India had the same drive to remove terrorists from our country in J&K and elsewhere .
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txgcfiler
09-03 09:30 AM
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angelfire76
06-02 12:27 PM
country quota is not racial discrimination...u must be a fool to say that.
To change the country quota..they have to change the whole philosophy of immigration in this country... Equal opportunity for all...
Its absurd to try to change the country quota..we must try for recapture..instead..
The US immigration system is the only immigration system which has per country quota, last time I checked. If you are arguing equal opportunity then denying somebody from applying for permanent residency because on their country of origin is denying equal opportunity.
In fact the per country quota actually violates the philosophy of equal opportunity by providing benefits to people who entered much later into the game and ignoring people waiting for the same benefits, just because they are from a particular country.
If they were really interested in "equalizing" the ethnic mix of employees in the country, they shouldn't have made H1B dual intent or they should impose this 7% at the H1B level (I don't want to give anybody bright ideas considering the witch-hunt of H1Bs going on now).
To change the country quota..they have to change the whole philosophy of immigration in this country... Equal opportunity for all...
Its absurd to try to change the country quota..we must try for recapture..instead..
The US immigration system is the only immigration system which has per country quota, last time I checked. If you are arguing equal opportunity then denying somebody from applying for permanent residency because on their country of origin is denying equal opportunity.
In fact the per country quota actually violates the philosophy of equal opportunity by providing benefits to people who entered much later into the game and ignoring people waiting for the same benefits, just because they are from a particular country.
If they were really interested in "equalizing" the ethnic mix of employees in the country, they shouldn't have made H1B dual intent or they should impose this 7% at the H1B level (I don't want to give anybody bright ideas considering the witch-hunt of H1Bs going on now).
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hiralal
07-27 06:31 AM
I personally think it is the worst thing that a person can do - I have done some research on the money that you can make on such pyramid businesses and it is pitiful ..maybe a beggar makes more. it comes to around 2 -3 percent cash and when you add the time you lose standing in walmarts, temples etc, the loss of your time, loss of friends, loss of time towards your kids and you can make out that it is a BIG WASTE. in the end it is a pyramid and ponzi scheme ...those who join late will always be the LOSER's. you can make more money by working part-time even in some super mart's.
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gc28262
06-12 12:40 AM
People need to understand that you need to give some to win some. I would like to propose to IV a kind of proposal that would be a win win for both the immigrants and the US.
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dilipcr,
Don't tell us you are trying to save america for americans ( now that you are going to be a citizen)
You are just trying to close the door behind you.
You think Grassley bill is good for everyone. Yeah sure it is good for you !
You have begun to think like loosers guild( aka programmers guild)
You claim the fittest will survive and you don't need any luck to survive. However you had your round of layoffs too. That is a fact of american job market. Luck does play a lot in people's lives especially here in US. I have heard of an IBM engineer who was laid off during 2001 recession. He had 2 patents under his belt. So nobody is immune to luck factor.
Now that you have become a GC holder and soon going to be a citizen, you are so much worried about the wage levels and and L1 visas. You are ok with H1Bs because you were on H1B earlier in your life.
Did you ever worry about depressing citizen's wages when you were on H1B ?
It is one thing to be so self centered, another to say it aloud on a prospective immigrant's forum like IV.
BTW america is the best place to do business. If you feel threatened by more work force entering USA, become an entrepreneur like Vivek Wadhwa, not a loser like Ron Hira.
Aren't we Indians a bunch of crabs !
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dilipcr,
Don't tell us you are trying to save america for americans ( now that you are going to be a citizen)
You are just trying to close the door behind you.
You think Grassley bill is good for everyone. Yeah sure it is good for you !
You have begun to think like loosers guild( aka programmers guild)
You claim the fittest will survive and you don't need any luck to survive. However you had your round of layoffs too. That is a fact of american job market. Luck does play a lot in people's lives especially here in US. I have heard of an IBM engineer who was laid off during 2001 recession. He had 2 patents under his belt. So nobody is immune to luck factor.
Now that you have become a GC holder and soon going to be a citizen, you are so much worried about the wage levels and and L1 visas. You are ok with H1Bs because you were on H1B earlier in your life.
Did you ever worry about depressing citizen's wages when you were on H1B ?
It is one thing to be so self centered, another to say it aloud on a prospective immigrant's forum like IV.
BTW america is the best place to do business. If you feel threatened by more work force entering USA, become an entrepreneur like Vivek Wadhwa, not a loser like Ron Hira.
Aren't we Indians a bunch of crabs !
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sledge_hammer
01-14 02:52 PM
I would argue that Indian consulting biggies saw that they could offer resources to clients at much cheaper rates than offered by American consulting companies. That drove down billing rates for everyone. Also one cannot deny the fact that persons who faked their resumes have contributed to the decline of the quality of talent pool. Don't get me wrong, bad apples existed and thrived in both big and small companies. But the occurences of such misdeed is/was more rampant in body shops. Some examples are the hiring of fresh grads & H4 & other unskilled workers and passing them off as "high skilled resource".
On the other hand if American consulting companies bill high rates to clients, they are at leat still paying decent wages to their employees. So wages stay at moderate levels. But what This whole tiered employement brought into play was that the actual employee was not getting paid too much but the client would still pay quite a bit, maybe not as much as what an American consulting company would bill. The wages of IT professionals went down.
Though this memo is reiterating the same rule again, they want to send a message that body shops are hurting the overall balance of the arrangement they had prior to when desi comapnies setup shops, and that they are keen on eliminating this source of imbalance.
Aren't billing rates the reason why the Indian IT biggies decided to establish business consulting practices? They are offering to bring the same employee that a PWC or Accenture brings in, but at a lower rate to the client.
The quality difference is also not huge (one lisps better in English and another doesn't); there's junk everywhere and these big IT companies also hire people at minimum H-1B wage to improve margins. Lot of times you get what you pay for.
On the other hand if American consulting companies bill high rates to clients, they are at leat still paying decent wages to their employees. So wages stay at moderate levels. But what This whole tiered employement brought into play was that the actual employee was not getting paid too much but the client would still pay quite a bit, maybe not as much as what an American consulting company would bill. The wages of IT professionals went down.
Though this memo is reiterating the same rule again, they want to send a message that body shops are hurting the overall balance of the arrangement they had prior to when desi comapnies setup shops, and that they are keen on eliminating this source of imbalance.
Aren't billing rates the reason why the Indian IT biggies decided to establish business consulting practices? They are offering to bring the same employee that a PWC or Accenture brings in, but at a lower rate to the client.
The quality difference is also not huge (one lisps better in English and another doesn't); there's junk everywhere and these big IT companies also hire people at minimum H-1B wage to improve margins. Lot of times you get what you pay for.
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meridiani.planum
10-07 05:28 PM
I have built a very simple EB2-I Visa predition model
Making following assumption
15000 new EB2 ROW I-485 applications
12000 new EB1 I-485 applications
EB4/EB5 use 70% of allocated visa (30% spillover)
EB2 Visa Bulletin prediction for FY 2010
Bulletin Quarterly-spillover Annual Spillover
Oct-09 22-Jan-2005 22-Jan-2005
Nov-09 22-Jan-2005 22-Jan-2005
Dec-09 31-Mar-2005 1-Feb-2005
Jan-10 31-Mar-2005 15-Feb-2005
Feb-10 31-Mar-2005 31-Mar-2005
Mar-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
Apr-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
May-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
Jun-10 15-Oct-2006 31-Mar-2005
Jul-10 15-Oct-2006 30-Sep-2005
Aug-10 15-Oct-2006 30-Apr-2007
Sep-10 31-Mar-2007 30-May-2007
3rd Q spillover numbers are too optimistic. 2006 alone has ~20k pending EB2I. you are assuming whole of that, plus 1 quarter eachfrom 05 and 07?
Making following assumption
15000 new EB2 ROW I-485 applications
12000 new EB1 I-485 applications
EB4/EB5 use 70% of allocated visa (30% spillover)
EB2 Visa Bulletin prediction for FY 2010
Bulletin Quarterly-spillover Annual Spillover
Oct-09 22-Jan-2005 22-Jan-2005
Nov-09 22-Jan-2005 22-Jan-2005
Dec-09 31-Mar-2005 1-Feb-2005
Jan-10 31-Mar-2005 15-Feb-2005
Feb-10 31-Mar-2005 31-Mar-2005
Mar-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
Apr-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
May-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
Jun-10 15-Oct-2006 31-Mar-2005
Jul-10 15-Oct-2006 30-Sep-2005
Aug-10 15-Oct-2006 30-Apr-2007
Sep-10 31-Mar-2007 30-May-2007
3rd Q spillover numbers are too optimistic. 2006 alone has ~20k pending EB2I. you are assuming whole of that, plus 1 quarter eachfrom 05 and 07?
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nixstor
07-03 04:25 PM
Hi all,
Regarding the recent goofup by USCIS, please rate this story
http://digg.com/politics/No_July_4th_Celebrations_for_Highly_Skilled_Future _Americans/who
if this receives more than 100 users rating for the story in next 5-10 hours - it would be displayed on the first page. Digg.com is read by hundreds of thousands of web users and there is high chance of getting picked by main stream media.
Note that you ll have to signup as digg.com member to rate it - it ll just take 30 secs of your time.
Sorry I wasn't able to submit the official IV prlog.com url since it is not accepted by Digg.
thanks.
Here is one more to digg
http://digg.com/politics/Rep_Lofgren_Issues_Statement_on_Updated_Visa_Bulle tin
Regarding the recent goofup by USCIS, please rate this story
http://digg.com/politics/No_July_4th_Celebrations_for_Highly_Skilled_Future _Americans/who
if this receives more than 100 users rating for the story in next 5-10 hours - it would be displayed on the first page. Digg.com is read by hundreds of thousands of web users and there is high chance of getting picked by main stream media.
Note that you ll have to signup as digg.com member to rate it - it ll just take 30 secs of your time.
Sorry I wasn't able to submit the official IV prlog.com url since it is not accepted by Digg.
thanks.
Here is one more to digg
http://digg.com/politics/Rep_Lofgren_Issues_Statement_on_Updated_Visa_Bulle tin
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gcpool
03-20 10:03 AM
I have heard that Job are not easily available there and the taxes are high.
Think about it. I know people who have filed and almost got it and have decided to stay. (Waste of time and money).
Hi, I am seriously planning to start Canadian immigration after wasting 7 years of my life in chasing GC. Can anybody suggest some good lawyers/attorneies/agencies who are not money suckers like US immigration attornies ? Also, somebody mentioned that one can apply Can immigration by himself. Is there any issue with that ?
Thanks
Think about it. I know people who have filed and almost got it and have decided to stay. (Waste of time and money).
Hi, I am seriously planning to start Canadian immigration after wasting 7 years of my life in chasing GC. Can anybody suggest some good lawyers/attorneies/agencies who are not money suckers like US immigration attornies ? Also, somebody mentioned that one can apply Can immigration by himself. Is there any issue with that ?
Thanks
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sk2006
08-15 07:14 PM
I completely agree with you that we should never forget our roots or our motherland. India is far better than US when it comes to family values and many other things. However, this story has nothing to do about standing up for our own country/motherland. Every person who has a common name with terrorist names has had troubles at POE since 9/11. So who cares if he is SRK or anyone for that matter. When Colin Powell was the chief of security under Bush administration he had to go through airport security just like any other common person. The TSA here in US treats everyone the same. Do you think ministers or celebrities in India follow any security procedures ? Every now and then you hear of ministers and celebrities involved in smuggling scandals.
There are good and bad things about every nation. IMHO, security procedures in US are the far better than India and apply the same way to everyone unlike in India. If you are so concerned about standing up for your motherland, what are you doing in the US ? Should I be calling you a traitor ? My point is, this case of SRK has nothing to do with loyality to motherland or racism. It is an unfortunate aftermath of 9/11 and we all know its been happening at POE.
I think this is a very good post.
To add to this:
This incident has nothing to do with India. It just happened that SRK was from India.
After 9/11 we all know security measures are tight and rightly so.
For them it does not matter if it is
1. SR Khan who works in movies or
2. XYZ Khan who is a computer programmer or a cab driver.
If the name flashes in the computers they do the required checks.
Do you feel people with Muslim sounding names are targeted more?
No wonder, it is likely. DO NOT Blame USA TSA for that. Blame Osama Bin Laden for putting innocent Muslims through this.
There are good and bad things about every nation. IMHO, security procedures in US are the far better than India and apply the same way to everyone unlike in India. If you are so concerned about standing up for your motherland, what are you doing in the US ? Should I be calling you a traitor ? My point is, this case of SRK has nothing to do with loyality to motherland or racism. It is an unfortunate aftermath of 9/11 and we all know its been happening at POE.
I think this is a very good post.
To add to this:
This incident has nothing to do with India. It just happened that SRK was from India.
After 9/11 we all know security measures are tight and rightly so.
For them it does not matter if it is
1. SR Khan who works in movies or
2. XYZ Khan who is a computer programmer or a cab driver.
If the name flashes in the computers they do the required checks.
Do you feel people with Muslim sounding names are targeted more?
No wonder, it is likely. DO NOT Blame USA TSA for that. Blame Osama Bin Laden for putting innocent Muslims through this.
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unitednations
02-18 05:19 PM
You are theorizing based on circumstantial evidence, but the history and origin of the country quota does not support your conclusion. The fact that the DOL and UCCIS would not be able to keep abreast of illegal behavior is not something that would have been known at the time the country quota was introduced.
The other issue with your theory is that the abuse you are referring has its roots in the fact that the employer controls the green card process not the country quota. If I really want to abuse the country quota I would change my name and get a fake SSN / green card and wait for the periodic legalization initiatives or even simpler, get a birth certificate from the right country.
Brother; I am also an immigrant. At high levels; I think there should be no quota on employment base.
The purpose of EB is supposed to be to match an employer with a foreign worker because there is no willing and able American to do the job. Either a company needs a foreigner or they don't. They can't wait for years upon years because of a quota system. I look at sports as an example. In sports there is no quota that only a certain amount of foreigners can play baseball, football, etc. However, other sports leagues around the world (canadian football, european hockey, japanese baseball) have an import quota. However, the best sports leagues are right here in American because they want the best players. American soccer hasn't taken off because the best players aren't here; they are in europe.
Any reasonable American, politician would agree that if an american can't be found then they should be able to hire the foreigner with the least amount of interruption in their business. At high level and without any prejudice people would come to this conclusion.
However; we need to understand why is there a quota first of all; and then second why is there a country quota. I've almost come to the conclusion that EB immigration is just an accomodation to get a certain number of people into USA. If it truly was to attract the best/brightest then immigration would be much different. It looks like the answer is easy in my mind; no quota of any sort.
When talking to politicians, newspapers; maybe one would lose credibility when they would say there shouldn't be a quota. However, how do you come up with a quota of 300,000 verus 200,000 or 500,000. I don't know how one would talk to a politician and tell them to increase the quota and then come up with a number and then explain why it should be that number. A company either needs you or they don't; plain and simple.
I talk to a lot of people and a lot of different attornies and get involved in all sorts of discussions. There is a thread today asking that a person has gotten greencard but is married to a lady in India. She has a three year B.Sc and 3 years of experience and they want to know if she can come here on H-1b. Reason why this is being asked is because if the greencard holder sponsors her then it will take five years. So what is the easy way; bring her here on H-1b and then go the employment route. I can't even begin to tell you how many times this situation has come up off-line where a person got greencard real fast but never thought of the marriage angle and then they try to go this route.
The other issue with your theory is that the abuse you are referring has its roots in the fact that the employer controls the green card process not the country quota. If I really want to abuse the country quota I would change my name and get a fake SSN / green card and wait for the periodic legalization initiatives or even simpler, get a birth certificate from the right country.
Brother; I am also an immigrant. At high levels; I think there should be no quota on employment base.
The purpose of EB is supposed to be to match an employer with a foreign worker because there is no willing and able American to do the job. Either a company needs a foreigner or they don't. They can't wait for years upon years because of a quota system. I look at sports as an example. In sports there is no quota that only a certain amount of foreigners can play baseball, football, etc. However, other sports leagues around the world (canadian football, european hockey, japanese baseball) have an import quota. However, the best sports leagues are right here in American because they want the best players. American soccer hasn't taken off because the best players aren't here; they are in europe.
Any reasonable American, politician would agree that if an american can't be found then they should be able to hire the foreigner with the least amount of interruption in their business. At high level and without any prejudice people would come to this conclusion.
However; we need to understand why is there a quota first of all; and then second why is there a country quota. I've almost come to the conclusion that EB immigration is just an accomodation to get a certain number of people into USA. If it truly was to attract the best/brightest then immigration would be much different. It looks like the answer is easy in my mind; no quota of any sort.
When talking to politicians, newspapers; maybe one would lose credibility when they would say there shouldn't be a quota. However, how do you come up with a quota of 300,000 verus 200,000 or 500,000. I don't know how one would talk to a politician and tell them to increase the quota and then come up with a number and then explain why it should be that number. A company either needs you or they don't; plain and simple.
I talk to a lot of people and a lot of different attornies and get involved in all sorts of discussions. There is a thread today asking that a person has gotten greencard but is married to a lady in India. She has a three year B.Sc and 3 years of experience and they want to know if she can come here on H-1b. Reason why this is being asked is because if the greencard holder sponsors her then it will take five years. So what is the easy way; bring her here on H-1b and then go the employment route. I can't even begin to tell you how many times this situation has come up off-line where a person got greencard real fast but never thought of the marriage angle and then they try to go this route.
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vinzen
08-18 11:20 PM
Oh... finally!
Welcome to IV
There is nothing special that you have written up there in your post. This is just normal stuff that most EB folks on this forum does. Why do you have to write such obvious things? You may agree or disagree with member's opinion but its sounds very naive to preach to this community about normal life.
Its apparent from post that you think the members other than yourself live a lower than average life? :D I guess you are mistaken.. Keep reading posts and you will eventually get to know better..
sorry, I love preaching.
by the way I was referring to "the guy who thinks americans think he is a slumdog...." not you or everyone. But then again you think that I think that you lead a life lower than average. If you think you agreed with me, instead of calling it obvious being defensive and, just agree with me. OK? And get that chip off your shoulder as well.
Welcome to IV
There is nothing special that you have written up there in your post. This is just normal stuff that most EB folks on this forum does. Why do you have to write such obvious things? You may agree or disagree with member's opinion but its sounds very naive to preach to this community about normal life.
Its apparent from post that you think the members other than yourself live a lower than average life? :D I guess you are mistaken.. Keep reading posts and you will eventually get to know better..
sorry, I love preaching.
by the way I was referring to "the guy who thinks americans think he is a slumdog...." not you or everyone. But then again you think that I think that you lead a life lower than average. If you think you agreed with me, instead of calling it obvious being defensive and, just agree with me. OK? And get that chip off your shoulder as well.
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qualified_trash
05-17 06:11 PM
Hello Friends and my fellow GC awaiters..
I have my labor pending for the past 3 yrs (my PD is Aug 2003) and have been waiting for ever. Inspite having a Master's I did filee in EB3 just because I work for a large company which does not allow to file in EB2.
Anyways, I came across a company who said that they have a pre approved labor (late 2002) priority date. Is it wise to go for it or wait for something in EB category to move ahead?. I have at least 1 yr 3 months on H1 and will not have any other options except to stay in the company after 3 months.
Is it worth taking the risk and go with the labor substitution?
The second question/advice I'd like from you is:
If I go back to the same company after 6 months because of some issue with the labor can I still preserve my 2003 PD?
Pls let me know your opinion.
Thx a lot guys.
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1MoreDesi !
I personally know of 2 friends - live within half a mile of where I do, who got their GCs using labor substitution. If the lawyer and sponsoring company are good, go for it. Keep in mind that this is going to go away soon.........
I have my labor pending for the past 3 yrs (my PD is Aug 2003) and have been waiting for ever. Inspite having a Master's I did filee in EB3 just because I work for a large company which does not allow to file in EB2.
Anyways, I came across a company who said that they have a pre approved labor (late 2002) priority date. Is it wise to go for it or wait for something in EB category to move ahead?. I have at least 1 yr 3 months on H1 and will not have any other options except to stay in the company after 3 months.
Is it worth taking the risk and go with the labor substitution?
The second question/advice I'd like from you is:
If I go back to the same company after 6 months because of some issue with the labor can I still preserve my 2003 PD?
Pls let me know your opinion.
Thx a lot guys.
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies
1MoreDesi !
I personally know of 2 friends - live within half a mile of where I do, who got their GCs using labor substitution. If the lawyer and sponsoring company are good, go for it. Keep in mind that this is going to go away soon.........
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don_don
03-16 01:28 PM
Are you from India,,if yes, think again,,,the EB3 2003 PD may not buy u much,,u may be well know trying to go for perm and 140 with current EB2...eb3 for india is a black hole,,,i hope u know what a black hole is,,,its kinda dangerous!!
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immique
07-17 01:23 AM
I don't agree with your arguement. Spillover can happen in any quarter and you don't need to wait until the last quarter for it to happen. with EB1 and EB2 being current, the spillover into EB2 I and C will start from November/December of 2008 itself
Since no one knows how many of pre 2004 EB2/EB3 are pending for India or ROW, it is very difficult to predict where the PD would be at 2008 november. Whoever feels the numbers less suggests EB2 india PD would move forward, whoever feels the numbers are more suggests it will move slower.
But this is what my assumption is USCIS/DOS would start will less number of Visas for starting of year, let us say 900 for EB2(I) on november 08. There is a possibility that EB3 to EB2 conversion, Missed out old PD cases etc would result in getting EB2 going backwards...This would be the case for first 2 to 3 quarters, even if it moves it would in couple of months.Again based on EB3(ROW) demand next year end EB2(I) may or may not move forward fast.
One thing for sure spill over happens only during the last quarter, be it horizontal or vertical.
But this years move would make some people lucky to get GC even if their PD is in 2006. Again this is all my assumptions..
Since no one knows how many of pre 2004 EB2/EB3 are pending for India or ROW, it is very difficult to predict where the PD would be at 2008 november. Whoever feels the numbers less suggests EB2 india PD would move forward, whoever feels the numbers are more suggests it will move slower.
But this is what my assumption is USCIS/DOS would start will less number of Visas for starting of year, let us say 900 for EB2(I) on november 08. There is a possibility that EB3 to EB2 conversion, Missed out old PD cases etc would result in getting EB2 going backwards...This would be the case for first 2 to 3 quarters, even if it moves it would in couple of months.Again based on EB3(ROW) demand next year end EB2(I) may or may not move forward fast.
One thing for sure spill over happens only during the last quarter, be it horizontal or vertical.
But this years move would make some people lucky to get GC even if their PD is in 2006. Again this is all my assumptions..
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vjkypally
09-15 08:39 AM
We need to fight against this fraud by outsourcing companies who file for EB1 for their so called managers. IV needs to take this up with USCIS.Year, TOT_LBRS, Certified, LBR_INDIA PD_>_10/1/2001
2000 074048 70204 ????? 0
2001 082139 77921 ????? 0
2002 089168 79784 ????? 7873
2003 095299 62912 ????? 25956
2004 098866 43582 ????? 26569
2005 014253 06133 01350 6133
2006 105960 79782 22298 79782
2007 098753 85112 24573 85112
2008 061997 21092 07198 21092
Total 720483 526522 55419 252517
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum2-retrogression-priority-dates-and-visa-bulletins/23813-perm-labor-data-analysis.html
In 2005 there are a total of 01350 labors certified only for India.
In 2006 there are a total of 22298 labors certified only for India.
The other important thing here to note down is there are many outsourcing companies out there filed/filing GCs for their so called managers in EB1 category.
2000 074048 70204 ????? 0
2001 082139 77921 ????? 0
2002 089168 79784 ????? 7873
2003 095299 62912 ????? 25956
2004 098866 43582 ????? 26569
2005 014253 06133 01350 6133
2006 105960 79782 22298 79782
2007 098753 85112 24573 85112
2008 061997 21092 07198 21092
Total 720483 526522 55419 252517
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum2-retrogression-priority-dates-and-visa-bulletins/23813-perm-labor-data-analysis.html
In 2005 there are a total of 01350 labors certified only for India.
In 2006 there are a total of 22298 labors certified only for India.
The other important thing here to note down is there are many outsourcing companies out there filed/filing GCs for their so called managers in EB1 category.
pappu
01-13 04:52 PM
We need a thorough analysis of this document and an assesment how it affects our membership. If this is something our members want IV to discuss with USCIS, we can do it. All those affected by it, and willing to volunteer can contact IV to form a team and work on the analysis of this document.
chanduv23
09-04 08:06 AM
Please stop this unnecessary useless discussion here. And I am not "_truefacts". Folks, just like how u do IT or medicine, for politicians - politics is a career. They do whatever they can to be in power and in developing countries like India where unfortunately, corrpution still exists. Corrpution exists everywhere in different forms. Don't we all pay for EAD and AP every year because our country is retrogressed? Don't we all pay for MTR when we do everything based on law?
One has to accpept the reality and live with it and try to bring about the change within one's parameters.
People can argue just for the sake of arguements - but the reality is that we are all in it together. If there is an issue that affects all of us, it affects all of us - period. We can argue and counter argue but unless we all get on the same page and understand that there needs to be a solution rather than trask talk, things are not going to change for us.
Lets concentrate on what we are in this organization for.
One has to accpept the reality and live with it and try to bring about the change within one's parameters.
People can argue just for the sake of arguements - but the reality is that we are all in it together. If there is an issue that affects all of us, it affects all of us - period. We can argue and counter argue but unless we all get on the same page and understand that there needs to be a solution rather than trask talk, things are not going to change for us.
Lets concentrate on what we are in this organization for.